Podcast audio transcript

Intro

[0:00] Hello and welcome to another episode of the DrupalEasy podcast. This is Episode 236.
So let me just stop and say thank you to you all of our contributors and folks we've interviewed over the years for, I mean 236 episodes. That's hard to believe sometimes for me.

[0:21] On today's episode, we will re welcome Amy June Hineline.
She's gonna come on and talk to me about Drupal events during the Pandemic.
And she has a pretty unique perspective, being an organizer of multiple Drupal events and pretty engaged with the community.
And we're gonna talk about, you know, the pros and the cons. And you know how future Drupal events that are going virtual you might look in the coming months.

[0:52] We also have a small announcement to make about the Drupal community health team and upcoming workshop.
But that, my friends, is a tease and you don't get that information until later.
So stick around before we get to Amy June. I do want to mention Drupal Career Online.
We have been giving this 12 week online workshop for I don't even know how long. Now, maybe since 2006.
I know we have had over 150 graduates of the Drupal Career Online program, and our next semester starts on August 31st.
So if you're curious about it, you can always go to DrupalEasy dot com slash d c o.
If you want to ask questions about it, by all means, join us at one of our upcoming Taste of Drupal events. We have one on August 12th and August 26th.
And thats I'll give a little presentation about the workshop and you'll have a chance to answer questions during a free taste of Drupal webinar.

[2:03] So with that out of the way, let's talk to AmyJune.

[2:06] Music.

Amyjune Hineline Interview

[2:15] I'm here with returning guests. Or maybe I'll call you a regular contributor or regular guests. Amy June Hineline Amy June, How are you?
Very good, thank you. Welcome back as a Can we still call you like a nurse or or a nurse in your past life?
How do you think when you talk about yourself, I, um I still am a board certified hospice nurse. So yes, right in the nurse.
Right. So, um, masks good. About.

[2:52] When worn properly.

[2:55] What does that mean? Like it has to be over your nose, right? Right.
And, you know, not removed on and off and touched all the time and worn at the chin and then put back on, um, all those kind of things.
They're the folks who I see like on, you know, social media, even on the news. Sometimes the rare times I'm Aiken stomach. Lots of the news who complain that they're not getting enough oxygen. What, while wearing a mask? Is that a thing?
Oh, my gosh. A ball. They certainly complained, but, um, as a someone who has been on wards where it's, ah, strict protocol for isolation.
We work 12 hour shifts with masks and gowns and all kinds of personal protective equipment. So, um, I haven't died yet.
They're still here, huh?

[3:49] Um, hand washing. That's important to you here. Yeah, but there's another thing with that. You know, the hand sanitizer.
General rule of thumb is if you use hand sanitizer twice, you should go and wash your hands.
So those folks that use hand sanitizer all day, it loses its effectiveness. And you should really go back and wash your hands after using it a few times.
I don't understand. So why it? You become immune to it, or What do you mean? It loses its a foul? The science evades me right now. Um, which?
I'm sorry. I don't have the scientific facts to back up that statement.
Salmon sanitized and can't sanitizers not enough, right?

[4:34] You talk about Coronavirus for the next 45 minutes? If you know, I got plenty to say.

[4:41] How are things in North? Well, you sexual I mean, what do you It's kind of bay area Central California. Yes. I like to say I'm Bay area um, San Francisco Bay Area.
But I was informed recently that because it takes me 12 minutes to get the public transportation that gets me to the Bay Area, I now have to say, um, outside of the Bay area. Ah.
So how are like are the are the numbers I can your the town where you live and stuff Are they? Are they good or the bad? Are like, What's the situation where you live?
They are not good. We've rolled back to phase one. A Sfar social distancing goes. We reopened and everything.
Everyone had parties and we're out to eat. And then our number surged.
So we went back. Teoh, you know nothing being open. And I I believe there's a mask mandate now, so, yeah, sounds a lot like Florida.
Except for we're not. We don't go backwards, we just forge ahead.

[5:46] It's crazy. All right, Well, enough about that. Enough about Coronavirus. Let's talk about virtual Drupal events.
Or actually, we can drop the virtual and just say Drupal events.
Um, it is here we are in 20 halfway through 2020 and all Drupal events for the past few months have been virtual all Drupal events for the foreseeable future.
The ones, at least I'm aware of are going to be virtual.
So if you're now is a good opportunity. And you're a good guess. Toe have to talk about this because you are involved in quite a few of the organizing teams for Drupal events. This is true.
And I guess let's definitely mention your employer who makes us all possible.
You work for canopy studios and they part of your job is this community relations stuff?
Yeah, sort of a community ambassador of source and evangelist, but not just in Drupal. I work in the WordPress word camp spaces. Well, because as a company, we support both.
CMS is so it makes sense for me to do both, uh, both events.
Right? Right. Well, let's talk about already. Want to start? You want to start with Ah, DrupalCon global. That just happened.

[7:13] Um, I want to ask you a couple questions about that, starting with and again.
You know, you have a unique perspective on this because you're involved with, you know, the organization of not just one camp. It the year.
Like most Drupal event organizers generally work on one event, their local ish event, and then they can, you know, forget about event planning for six months and picking up again the next year for you.
It's kind of ongoing with different events when it's concurrent, it's not just one event at a time so BADCamp.
You know, I help organize all year round, But that means also, you know, helping with Asheville and helping with New York City and helping, um, a little bit with DrupalCon, you know, So it is concurrent,
But I do have sponsorship there canopy to do that.
So it sort of, uh, it's not a burden, you know, it's fun.
So let me just ask your opinion and I don't know if you want to after this, probably more of just as an attendee and a volunteer like,
How do you feel that DrupalCon global went you know it's difficult not to compare it to an in person event, but as far as the non social aspect of it,
Do you think it was worthy of being a Drupal?
Count the non social aspect.
So I think is an attendee I have to tie in.

[8:43] That social aspect because it was there. You just had to make sure that you knew the tools to utilize to still be social.
And I had a great time Is an attendee. Um, it was the second time I used hopin, so that might have been a unique experience to me.
Um, Asheville was the week before, and we used hopping as our delivery content delivery platform there. So I was used to the tools.
Um, I chatted with folks in the windows. I was able to go to the sessions. It was really easy to navigate where I wanted to be using the Drupal Association's website along with, you know, the hop in reception area.
Um, I saw folks that I knew chatting in the windows and so we said hello and coordinated, you know, hanging out afterward and happy hours and, um, going to booths was a lot of fun.
I would go into the Expo hall and see who was live and visit the booth and see who was in the booth very much like you would in a real person event.
You know, you go to the booth and you see who's working, and you make the decision to go up and talk to them.
But of course, because I go to a lot of events.
I know a lot of people. So it was really fun for me to see virtually all of the folks that I had missed all year long.
So, um, I really liked the experience, and I hope that more camps, um.

[10:08] Follow that platform of happened that way people get used to it and can utilize the tools and know what to expect.
Going in. I think that might help people feel a little bit more comfortable with the social part of, um, these events moving forward.
So here's something I I've tried to do, and I can't really get a good handle on it.
Is trying to put myself in the shoes of someone who, um, is not as plugged into the community as your I R.
Through, you know, is attending. Maybe not their first DrupalCon, but maybe, just, you know, their second or third DrupalCon. They don't know a ton of people. Um.

[10:49] And maybe department. You know, I think that for me, it's like it depends on the type of person.
Is this type of virtual DrupalCon Is this a, um Is this the type event that they would rather attend in person?
Drupal count When you don't know as many people, In some ways.

[11:08] This virtual platform lets you kind of just be a fly on the wall of a lot of conversations that you normally wouldn't have once they have access to but wouldn't participated, right?
And it's hard for me to put myself in those shoes to because one I'm an extravert, Uh and I don't I don't have, you know, in in person events.
I don't have a difficult time finding a group of people where I don't know anybody kind of hanging on the periphery and then introducing myself because as a person who is an extra burden as a person who goes to events.

[11:46] And I think it's my obligation to reach out and meet new people every day, you know, make people feel welcome.
And that's one thing I really, um, didn't have at my first Drupal event was I felt like it would have been nice to have someone come up and introduce themselves to me. And so coming from that experience, that's what I do at Drupal events.
I try to make an effort of every hallway break, introducing myself to someone I don't know.
Well, that seems like that would be a lot harder to do it. A virtual event. Yes. And I was just gonna say that, Um, no, that's OK.
But I think being an extrovert and knowing people it was a lot easier for me to know that there was a Lullabot after party.
You know, things like that. So you know this.

[12:39] This was the first major event that this group of people put on.
And there's definitely a learning curve. So if they are moving forward and doing this,
there's things that you know, I feel all events could do, like, maybe have, like, attendee resource pages and really highlight those social events and then have events like new,
new attendee receptions,
like they do.

[13:06] At virtue at the at the camp. That person, right?
Um, and that way folks can meet someone. What they did this year was they did have a mentoring project for folks who was their first experience.
And Rachel Lawson let ah lead this effort where people signed up to be a mentor and she introduced you to two people who were new to new to DrupalCon, and,
I sort of was able to touch base with these folks ahead of time and ask what experience they wanted.
Like, um, what tracks they were interested in. And I could kind of 0.1 of them in the direction of which, which sessions to attend.
So that was that was nice. Um, I don't know how other mentors and mentees did it, but I know I helped one person, you know, figure out sort of the best route to go.
So that was a nice experience.
Yeah, I am. I'm super. I'm excited or curious. I'm not sure what the word is, but I'm really interested in seeing how these types of events evolved.

[14:15] Because, you know, these obvious are these obviously aren't the first virtual events ever, but we're now all kind of in the position where this is all we're gonna have for a while.
And I wouldn't maybe, um like to encourage our local and regional meet ups to go virtual.

[14:36] Because sometimes folks can feel overwhelmed going to a camp into a con and committing to a weekend or all day.
Whereas if you lead a meet up and it's an hour or two hours long, someone can poke in, kind of get a feel of the community, hang out in a zoom room where there's more interaction.
And that's something we've done with the San Francisco Drupal Users group is we've moved our event virtual and our attendances up.
Um, and now I alternate it. We've we've added sessions to it instead of once a month.
Now we do it twice a month, the the second Thursday and the and the fourth Thursday of the month, and we alternate the times.
We have our regular evening event and then later in the month, we have it earlier in the day so other time zones can join in.
And that's been spectacular. So I see people from Chicago and from Florida and from New Hampshire.
At some of these, we had someone present who lives in India, you know? So I really would love to see more events.
Uh, the local and regional level opening up in the online space.
So was Asheville your first virtual Drupal event?
Let's call it the first, the Coronavirus Drupal event. No, we did Midcamp virtual.

[16:03] Mornings before we were supposed to have a friend or a week before, and that was different.
Reno that was That was exciting and new as an organizer figuring out how we were gonna, you know, deliver content with shift being only a week away.
But I think we were successful. We ran it through Zoom we were able to have, um I don't think we did trainings, but we were able to have two days of sessions and a contribution day all run through,
I think, four or five concurrent zoom rooms and then utilizing the MidCamp slack space for more dialogue and communication that sometimes I could be difficult.
I mean, I think for folks we're used to using those tools every day and maybe who are already in that slack space workspace. That's easy, right?
But for new attendees, I can see where that could be. A little bit cumbersome is like, Where do I go for this? And where do I go for that?
And especially for something like DrupalCon global,
I'm not trying to call them out, but, um, there slack space can be very overwhelming, especially if you're not used to slack so having that as a supplemental communication,
port wouldn't work for for more of a global event.
But in Asheville, we were successful in having engagements in slack.
You know, as people signed up and register and speakers, we would onboard them with slack. And so, as we were.

[17:33] You know, chatting it up in the hop and platform. I could see people chatting in in in the slack space as well, but, you know, definitely smaller space.
I would think that for, you know, not just local events, but also even DrupalCon global.
I would actually think that slack would be the preferred, you know, if it was seamless and if it was easy to kind of connect.
What's going on in Zumar happen with what's going on in slack? I think that'd be preferable, because that way you can onboard new people onto Slack, who may not already be on slacking. Then they stay there after the event dance.
That was one of the big kind of almost grump, not grumble. Don't be too naive about it. About hopping was the Paco's way.
Yeah, and and that's very true. None of those conversations were saved after the event ended.
So that's something that I mean, It would be interesting again. These are all just things I'm thinking about. It. I've been thinking about How do we.

[18:36] You know, the 1st 1 of anything generally is not the best. Well, except for movies, right?
You can always look back and say we should have done this better. Should have done that better.
Um, you know, the first version of a piece of software. The first, You know, first time you write, like, a block post. You're always you always find things. You want to go back and make better. So that's kind of like you know why?
It's kind of what I want to get out of this. This episode is you know, you have now been part of the organizing team for just two Drupal events that have happened MidCamp in Asheville. Have there been any others in there?

[19:17] No, that's it for me. Okay, so those two plus year, you know, your volunteer DrupalCon global as well.
So I'm kind of curious, like what do you see is like the low hanging fruit of things that can be improved on its very individual.
Everyone's experience is unique to themselves. Night will scratch your own itch first. What would you like?
So I really like what we did in the Asheville in the MidCamp space with tying slack channels, Teoh different rooms and contribute day.
I liked that, um, what I would love to see more of moving forward.
And I'm not saying that MidCamp or Drupal Camp Asheville or DrupalCon didn't do these things, but as an attendee who's an extra burden and a little bit.

[20:10] I have anxiety, I think folks who who know me know that about me.
I like to plan things and way ahead of time.
So I think the communication moving forward with what the camp is providing folks is gonna be super important.
Um, I work on MidCamp, and we're getting ready to, um, really hone in on what we're doing for the social aspect of it.
Because, yes, people come in to BADCamp for, you know, the content knowledge.
But also, the BADCamp experience is meeting people, and it's unique to northern California.
And how do we, Emily, emulate that in this virtual space?
So how do we plan a pub crawl?
How do we, um how do we let people go on these virtual tours of these iconic San Francisco locations? Right.
How do we get people to the zoo? The aquarium? How doe They go across the Golden Gate Bridge.
So we're trying to imagine these experiences, um, that people have when they come to our event and try to make them virtual by having like, virtual tours.
Um, And that pub crawl. We're not sure how we're gonna do it yet, but we definitely would love to see that happen.

[21:27] But a lot of that comes with making sure that,
we let folks know ahead of time that these things are happening, not just the content delivery that people you know, expecting love from Drupal events, but the social aspect to,
I think, what's so important about that.
Is that it's done as a group, right? Because, you know, it's one thing to say we're gonna have a pub crawl.

[21:56] But it's another thing to say we're going to do, you know, we're gonna do a virtual tour of Alcatraz, right?
And it's the way it's gonna work is you know, we're gonna have you know, um, we're gonna have, you know,
a bunch of virtual rooms where people are gonna be in a group, you know, 8 to 10 people and they can talk amongst themselves during the this virtual tour. Right?
Right. So that's kind of like where my low hanging fruit was.
This is really I thought something that was missing and we kind of, you know, what times we you know, you can work around it with either Google hangouts or or, you know, your own zoom.
But just having like, these ad hoc discussions that aren't chap, But, you know, you kind of spin off a room of Hey, here's seven people at the end of a session who are interested in the configuration management system.
Where did they go when the session's over to if they want to talk about it, not shot about it. But talk about that could be done in the hop in space with bob offs.
If you have a bathroom scheduled after each session, maybe, or talk to you the presenters and see if that's a space they want to open up afterward.

[23:18] So I I don't know how how it would work exactly, but I know that the hopin platform does have a way that we can do that I want t went to a couple of offs at DrupalCon,
and, um, there were 20 people on the call.
Of course, there's some tech lag, but those were really nice conversations.
20 people could be, uh, showing their video, but there could be 20 people just watching the office well.

[23:47] So I mean, it's not perfect. All right, so let's instead of, ah, looking back at some events.
Look, look forward because I know that you are involved in the organization of a few events that are coming up the next couple of months. You wanna give us quick rundown of those events, and then are you talking about each 1 may be a little bit sure.
Um, I'll do it in chronological order. To be fair.
Uh, Drupal camp Colorado is coming up like I m pretty soon August 14th and 16th and I'm not involved in the organizing side of that.
So I'm not quite clear how they're going to run their event, But I've been asked to help with Contribution Day and having a first time contributor workshop eso That's nice.
Um, and then God, Khan is coming up, And, uh, it's not a camp I historically or traditionally go to because of, um usually the time of year it is.
And, um, so I'm really glad for the virtual aspect that I can help them this year because I don't have to go to Washington d. C. To help support them, and we're going to do a contribution day there.

[25:03] And that is a little unique because the contribution day is going to happen before the main event, where we're gonna have a first time contributor workshop and move into general contributions the first day.
But having that workshop the first day is really gonna help new people, uh, be set up for success for the remainder of the conference.

[25:26] And they are who? I don't have the date in front of me. Maybe the 23rd in the 25th of August, and I believe we're number.
September. Sorry. Yes, September. I believe we're going to run the contribution day with various zoom rooms because that is something that is a little challenging with the hopin platform with trainings and the contributions.
Because there's the hopping platform doesn't allow for a lot of interactions where zoom does Ah, you can't break out rooms. You can have everyone's cameras. You can be do a lot of screen sharing with very minimal lift.
So we're thinking about having ah, mentors room in one zoom room and then, you know, initiatives in the in other zoom rooms.
And with saying that I want to invite the community, um, to participate if they have some initiatives that they'd like to move forward with these events coming forward Drupal Camp, Colorado and then Gove Khan And, of course, BADCamp.
So if you have a documentation or Drupal nine readiness, anything like that, if you'd like to lead a new initiative, let me know when we can help get that going.
Um And then BADCamp, you know, is October 14th to 17th and I am an active organizer for that camp.

[26:47] And, um, we're not gonna have it exactly like we do in real life, but we're still want to maintain that quality content delivery.
We are gonna have trainings and some. It's the 1st 2 days of camps Wednesday and Thursday.
Um, we've sort of modified it, though, where the trainings won't quite be as long. That way, people aren't sitting at their computer, you know, 10 hours.
So we're gonna offer both full day and half day trainings and then Thursday and for I'm sorry Friday and Saturday, we're going to do sessions, but we're also introducing maybe smaller workshops in the mornings of the session days.
Um, and of course, we're still gonna have our higher ed nonprofit backdrop. Front end.
Ah, some. It's on Wednesdays and Wednesday and Thursday as well.
Um we do plan on opening the call for papers next week, but I know,
since this podcast will come out later than that, we're hoping that first week in August we have call for papers open and, um, because the content delivery is different.
We are asking folks to both submit sessions for 20 and 40 minutes with the idea of.

[28:06] Having those many workshops like I mentioned, and the longer sessions in the morning where people's attention are there and then in the afternoon, moved to those, uh, shorter blocks of time, too.
We're hoping that the engagement kind of stays with the shorter amounts of time.
I've always liked the idea of having the new even forget about new contributor, but just like folks who are new to an event having something very early on in the conference for them.

[28:36] Um, I know when I give trainings at Drupal camps that are the day before the big session day.
That's always really fun, because folks kind of they meet each other.
They spend a day in a room with 15 20 other people, and then, inevitably, you know, the next two days of the event I see those people hanging out and talking to one another.
And it kind of gives you, like, you know, a start on your your local networking, right?
And, um, we're offering Pantheon introduction to Drupal Workshop both days, um, before camp.
So those totally new to DrupalCon learn some stuff in that way.
They can, ah, when they attend the regular session days, have some background knowledge of what a content type is.
Even so, that's that's pretty exciting, too. That's why I like the pre conference trainings to So do you know is give Khan and or BADCamp? Are they using happen or something else?

[29:38] I don't know what Gove Khan is using for their content delivery, but I do know that at BADCamp we have the couple the trainings in the summits from the sessions, the sessions we're going to deliver through hopin.
But the trainings we're gonna deliver with Zoom That way the the trainers can interact more with their students.
That that doesn't really work well with with with hopin as far as we can tell on Ben, the summits were leaving it up to them.
How they want toe have their summits were still in sort of organization mode as far as that goes.
So is there anything that and maybe we'll just focus on BADCamp?
That's the one your most involved with. But is there anything that organizers of that camp are changing due to what they experienced at DrupalCon?

[30:36] Um, not necessarily DrupalCon but Drupal Camp Asheville.
So, um, getting into kind of the nitty gritty of camp organization without boring too many folks.
Um, the question this year is how do you provide value for your sponsors?

[30:57] So one of the things one of the takeaways from Drupal Camp Asheville for us is, you know, having that booth space like DrupalCon global did.
But what Drupal Camp Asheville did was they had room monitors that would introduce the speakers.
And then they would also come back at the end of the session and doing out Outro with a slide that said What's coming up next?
And, um, direct folks to if there was a live demo going on in the Expo hall.
So the reason I like that is for many reasons,
On a personal level, I really got more out of camp being a room monitor because I was able to engage with the speakers in the attendees like,
there's not this five minutes of awkward time where the speaker is sitting there by themselves waiting for the top of the hour to give their session.
But we can talk to the to the people and ask them where they're coming in from What's the weather? What sessions been your favorite? And then they reply in the chat and really engaging the audience a little bit more.

[32:04] And having said that, I feel giving sponsors the option to be. Those room monitors can add value because they are interacting with their audience. They're not.
I don't want them to necessarily do like plugs, but they're able to interact more and get that brand exposure.
Um, a little bit.
Why not? Why not let him do a plug? Well, I don't know yet.
You know, I I'm in this weird space of like, not being a sales or market or person, so I don't quite know how I feel about that. So that's why we work in teams, right? Right?

[32:45] So But I really think that would add value to a sponsor package to is, you have the opportunity to to interact, you know, And that's what made.

[32:57] That's what made DrupalCon and Drupal Camp Asheville fund for me, too, because I was able to monitor and meet speakers and meet organizer's and interact with people on a whole different level, you know?
So my attendee experience was elevated by being a volunteer.

[33:15] Yeah, that's really it's kind of almost it's a sneaky way.
But if you want to get some street creds and network in the Drupal community and get to know some folks, um, you know, volunteering for Drupal event.
You know, just even I think you're saying as a room monitor, you know, it's not a bad way to go right.
And that takes pressure off the organizer's to cause we're organizing, you know, every have free.
Person has different strengths. And if we as a community can can play on all of our strengths, it really makes events run smooth.
You know, um and then to you volunteered an event.
You can take that back with you to your company or say you're on organizer of a different camp and you volunteer BADCamp. You can take that with you when you go back to, say, Drupal Camp Chattanooga or a Drupal Camp Atlanta.
So and that's one of the things I really like about my place in the Drupal community, too, is because I'm fortunate and privileged to be able to volunteer it. All these camps.
I can take these ideas to the different camps with me.
All right, So let's, um let's wrap up this topic because there's one other thing I wanna talk to you about.
I think I think we covered everything we want to talk about. Um, when it comes to Drupal events and virtual Drupal events. Correct, right? I think so.

[34:42] So let's wrap this up. I want to talk about the committee Working Group Community Health team,
which you are a member of, So this is kind of an expansion of the community Working group That happened earlier this year, late last year.
I'm so bad with remembering when dates when things happened.
Um, but you can be working group decided to add some members outside of the conflict resolution Team,
Onda were basically calling all of these folks in a very generic sense the community health team and in your member of that team.
And I guess we kind of have it's sort of announcement that we could make are its announcement of something that's coming soon about that. Right?

[35:29] So first of all, thank you for having me be a contributor to the community Working group Community Health Team.

[35:39] So we had something planned for DrupalCon. But, you know, um, uh, plans get changed with pandemics.
Number should replace in person DrupalCon.
But now we've contacted our point of contact for workshop we wanted to present on Mental Health First aid.
Um, and, uh,
What? What? It is, IHS. People who attended this workshop will come away with, um I want to sort of equate it to, ah, how first aid is given in the medical sense,
in the broader sense that, um.

[36:22] You provide some support until professionals can come in or the situation is otherwise result.
So it's very much like CPR. You know, you're the first responder, and what this does is it helps,
People we know helps people we love our friends, our co workers or even people we don't interact with on a normal basis.
But we can help them cope with any sort of mental health issues that come on board. So it's like a first responder.
The workshop would work a little differently than we were going to do in, in, in, in in person workshop, where there's some self direction.
And then when we we come together and work together as a group.
So I'm super excited about it.

[37:11] Yeah, this is a This is not something that's unique or custom for the Drupal community.
This is ah, you know, something that is well known here in United States.
I'll put the link in the show notes. But mental health first aid dot org's and we were working with a group out of Minneapolis who were doing in person workshop in Minneapolis.
But they have since pivoted, and now they just announced virtual workshops, and we're going to be working with them to figure out a date, and it's basically going to be a,
virtual worth spot workshops specifically for Drupal community members on.
Yeah, we're kind of excited about it because it is a really It's a really high quality training.
So anyone who has an interest in this just be on the lookout for it.
All right, Well, uh, I think we're all so it was really good, as always to talk to you. Imagine.
Thank you. Might good to speak with you as well.
Oh, thank you very much for a very proper and polite to one another. That's that was good. Oh, well, I have a question for you.
Sure. Um, what are you listening to when you get done with this call? Oh, my gosh.

[38:24] So I am, uh, today. So we're recording on July 31st. And I have always been a big Alanis Morissette fan, and, uh, she had new album come out today and I have been listening to it pretty much nonstop.

[38:39] She's awesome. Yeah, I'm gonna like her voice is just spectacular for some reason to may. So, yeah, that's what I've been listening to.
Although I have to listen to apparently, uh, what's his name? More is his last name. Justin. More. What was.
No, no, no. There's Thurston Moore from some thirst.
E should have remembered Thurston Part Gilligan's Island Thurston.
Oh, you dated me there. I don't know that reference. Thurston Howell from Gilligan's Island. Really?
I didn't know that was his name. That's a millionaire.
Yeah, that's stability. No idea.

[39:16] All right. And Thurston Moore's from Sonic Youth, remember?
Okay, so that's your music recommendation for the day, I guess.

[39:27] All right, Fantastic. Well, let's adjourn and everybody go listen to either Alanis or Thurston and get after us on that. Thanks, Mike.
All right, we'll talk to you soon. Thanks, bye.

[39:38] Music.

Outro

[39:47] Our next short form workshop is composer Basics four Drupal developers to be held on August 24th.
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you will learn best practices around using composer with Drupal eight and nine projects, including a deep dive into the Drupal recommended project template and how to use various,
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[40:23] Thank you very much for listening to Episode 236 of the DrupalEasy Podcast. We'll see you next time.